At the time of recording this episode, the verdict of the Derek Chauvin trial came out just a couple of days before. My guest, Patrick Fitzgibbons and I were chatting via LinkedIn about how the law enforcement profession can move forward after this verdict. And we decided to jump on and record a podcast episode to discuss just that. Our intention here is not to create further political dialogue about this topic, but rather to discuss a viable and healthy path forward. We also delve into a deep discussion about officers transitioning from law enforcement and how they might want to approach this if they are considering a shift.